Meeting on Horizon Europe 2021: Opportunities and Funding

Attention @policy,

The Horizon Europe Info Days were just held, where the EC presented their strategies and funding programs for the coming years.

Existing funding programs for federated apps will come to an end, as a new Horizon Europe programme starts. Hordes of companies and projects are fishing for the significant amounts of money that is distributed the coming years.

There are many developments and opportunities that exist now. And I think most fedizens are not in the loop. Therefore this wiki post to plan a meeting to discuss the ins and outs.


(NOTE: This is a wiki post that anyone can edit. Please edit and add agenda points and other relevant details)

Horizon Europe & Fediverse

  • Proposed Date: 2021-07-10T15:00:00Z
  • Vidcall URL: Startraum

Participants:

  • @CristinaDeLisle: Hello! I hope everyone is well. I confirm I will attend as well this meeting. See you then! :slight_smile:

  • @Sebastian nice, added meeting URL

Agenda:

  • @Sebastian informs about EU developments, possible further steps (will talk with Prabhat Agarwal) and edri roundtable.

  • [Add your input]

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I’m an individual and assuming that even trying to understand what Horizon Europe 2021 is about will consume more energy than I can afford. Yet, I applied for grants in the past and I’m interested in applying for new grants, eventually. When cascading grants are created by large organizations (for instance https://dapsi.ngi.eu/ or NGI Projects | Next Generation Internet), to reduce the administrative overhead to something that is more in line with individuals or NGOs.

Am I wrong?

I am curious about these things myself, and to hear from people that are more in the loop. Unfortunately I just learned that due to circumstance I am not able to join myself on Saturday at the proposed time.

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Hey LoĂŻc,

that is very right.
Horizon itself also created an industry of companies doing nothing else in specialising in this “overhead” and paperwork and receive lots and lots of money and burn it.
The GAFAM gets billions through it.

Personally, we applied with 8 people for both, DAPSI and NGI Zero over 3 years but this brought us also nothing than paperwork.
The same for some partner projects of redaktor.

But the logic of Horizon would be similar to what mastodon did with the eunomia.social project.
They have built a consortium with a media partner and a university:

Then some people familar with the matter can do the administrative overhead.
That would need implementors to team and build what they call consortium.
I can help to find a media partner and we would contact the universities we have contacts with …

My main motivation for a meeting is that I will have a call with the Head of Unit, Prabhat Agarwal soon and want to know, what the ActivityPub Community wants him to know.
There is a nice article about Agarwal in german …

Please everybody, guide them about the general digital principles and raise awareness for the fediverse and ActivityPub in this → Public Consultation

And the new Horizon Clusters / Programmes will pop up now and the Policy Group wants to organise a roundtable with edri after the EU summer break.

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Are the grant applications and refusals published in a public place ?

I was surprised not to find any when I started working on the grant application earlier this year. The most difficult part when filling an application is to figure out how to write something that makes sense to the experts judging it. And the lack of examples to get inspiration from is a real handicap. That was my motivation for publishing the application we submitted as well as all the correspondence with the grant organization.

I filled the survey (after retrieving my lost password :stuck_out_tongue: ).

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Are the grant applications and refusals published in a public place ?

No, I thought, it doesn’t make sense cause it was rejected and after 3 years they told us, they don’t fund CMS. I can send it to you.

after retrieving my lost password

The same :slight_smile:
It would be nice to have a common “Login with ActivityPub” …

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This is very kind of you but I think I now have a good understanding of how it goes. There is a lot of value in publishing rejected applications because, together with the rejection notice, it shows the kind of things that should be avoided. There is a little bit of that in a successful application too (for instance fedeproxy got negative grading because “Work plan with accompanying milestones is credible but should be more elaborated on though.”), but it is less enlightening.

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@Sebastian @CristinaDeLisle sorry that I couldn’t attend. Did you have the meetup yesterday? Maybe there’s some general info to add to this thread?

Hello! No worries :slight_smile: It was just @Sebastian and myself in the meeting and it lasted about 2h. As a summary, we had a free discussion broadly on the following topics:

  • a feedback on the NGI0 event and opinions on financing AP projects - from Sebastian
  • the AP community and activities happening on the policy side
  • we discussed a bit also on the topic of a legal entity for this community and how that could look like
  • future opportunity to get involved in a roundtable to be organized by edri - the contact person would be Jan Penfrat - Sebastian spoke with him to about this
  • participating in a meeting with Prabhat Agarwal on the 29th of July, where @mathewlowry would be present as well - Matthew, I am tagging you here, as I understand from Sebastian that you wanted to participate to that meeting

As this time it was only Sebastian and myself in the call, we thought to come up with the proposal of a second meeting 2 weeks from now, which he proposed in this pinned post: 2021-07-24 SocialCG Policy SIG Meeting

I propose to have this meeting from the 24th and / or discuss on the forum prior, especially regarding the communication with Prabhat Agarwal & edri event Sebastian was talking about.

I also proposed to use the ideas we worked at for the NGI0 AP for Administrations presentation and have the community improve / adjust the content for the occasion. This is just a proposal and would require a common effort. The point would be to ensure that this is a common message, as previously - I think that this is important for the AP community.

In any case, let’s keep in touch about this and enjoy the sunny days :sunflower:

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Well, right now, it is just that @mathewlowry and @Sebastian were asked by Prabhat Agarwal to attend the meeting. Not the other way around …
I thought, maximum transparency is asking the community for feedback.

The policy group reached its first goal and as you can see from the protocol, it was my next task to do a next meeting. Since we said, we lobby with edri, this could then be the edri roundtable.

Thanks for the info, both of you. Very interesting topics indeed. Note that in terms of community work for SocialHub I have created two topics that are relevant:

Lukewarm responses so far, so I may give this my own twist, instead of something tied to SocialHub.

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It is hard to be in on the loop on this stuff, just spotted this third.

http://hamishcampbell.com/2021/11/10/hope-is-a-swift-left-wing-flow-and-the-strong-current-that-pushes-change-challenge/

Talking to the #EU crew - Hope is a swift left wing flow and the strong current that pushes change/challenge.

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