Webinar with the European Commission and AP Community

slide 5
Web2.0: Social media emerged which was inclusive/empowering to non-technical people

yep, this was balanced in the negative by the #openweb having a fatal case of “herding cats” with its development and agender being pushed by #fashionista #encryptionist #geekproblem and #process

AP by going the “standards root” made it out of this mess and gained a wide user base of “cats” and increasingly normal human beings :wink:

In this history on balance, we “failed” as much as they seceded.

The EU implementing AP could help to reset the resulting capture of the WWW (which made the internet human) which is good to remember was a European project The birth of the Web | CERN

This afternoon NGI0 has a meeting with the EC and some EU representatives to “synchronize about the Webinars”. The agenda remains unclear but I suppose they want to know where we’re at so they can target their audience more precisely.

Once this is done we can report here and gather slide comments to prepare for another meeting[1] to finalize the slides by the end of the week. I already put some // inline comments // in the slide deck, but I feel I have a lot more to say and it would generate too much text to read at once.

Regarding the platform, @rhiaro is making the bbb.w3.social available to us!

We can use this for the preparation meeting: ActivityPub for European Administrations


  1. I will not be available on Wednesday. ↩︎

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Therefore , this model solves the problems of the Web 2.0.

Think solves is to strong a word, maybe “mediates” or some combination.

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It’s a complex issue with different agenders its easy to say things that are not true, and rather wishful thinking on these subjects. I would keep this in but not push it.

Once we have distilled all the valuable insights in this thread we might consider closing it, and starting a fresh, more on-topic and targeted new thread, where we focus purely on slide content improvement.

I can imagine that for @CristinaDeLisle (and all of us) keeping up with the walls of text must be really hard.

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Bringing to your attention one of the EC website locations where our Fedi Apps may find a proper mention:

And in particular in the solutions section (see also my feedback on slide 8), where there are already a bunch of Linked Data-based entries: Solutions | ISA²

Hey
@datatitian

thank you very much for the offer.
It would be so nice to showcase all the 10-20 ActivityPub projects which are mentioned in the thread but it is currently unclear to us if that is wanted.
Personally I’m not affilliated with this event.
So, just hope, an organiser will contact you …

It would just be so nice if they would do it in your rooms so that policymakers directly get a fedi handle and see what would be possible.

Hey just went though this huge thread,

Thanks for the great work, as other people here I am trying to understand the choice for a targeted audience here. I mean further then existing collaboration with DG DIGIT is there other reasons to not address DG CONNECT as previously suggested by as @mathewlowry .
Indeed as @hamishcampbell we would need to have webinars that would be really more concerned with community organization and users experiences rather than focusing on explaining protocols that is really not related to eu domain of concern or experience.
Maybe it would be good to think this as a 2 folded process keep up with existing technical presentation and organize another moment speaking of what fediverse is to decentralisation, and the people who inhabit it.

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Both will be there, as well as COMM who controls public communication of the EC. More were invited, e.g., EDPS and JRC, etc., and also national institutions. It’s not a limited event at all.

The focus is not technical but rather historical and institutional. There’s already a fairly good amount of interest within European institutions and national institutions to embrace ActivityPub, we simply want to activate those processes and facilitate integration at all levels.

As I expressing this morning: the first webinar is very much introductory and aimed at civil servants and policy makers ; the second webinar is a bit more technical and will probably introduce current research and future work ; while the ending workshop will put interested parties in motion to implement services.

We have another meeting to review slides at 13:00 UTC today. We’ll be using ActivityPub for European Administrations I think (waiting for @j8ter to confirm).

Hello @how ! I am not available at that hour today, so you will do it without me for now. Thank you!

Apologies, I was mistaken, it’s 15 UTC (17 CEST), I got my times mixed up. Indeed we would use the W3C BBB-instance you refer to.

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Is there a way to see who was invited and by what means?

I disagree I read all propositions as very technical but given the context it feels the only possible way.
The most important issues encompassing community organization, moderation, federation, diversity of speech and view points, targeting hate speech etc… I mean what is actually important still needs to be addressed; so indeed it feels difficult to present those issues however fundamental they are for EC representatives.

I’m not sure what proposals you’re referring to.

We’re mostly working on ActivityPub for Administrations - HedgeDoc.

By email, mostly from Jean-Luc Dorel and our contact lists. The event was announced on NGI.eu. I do not think we keep a list of invitees.

I guess that would be 16:00 CEST then. Summer time… :musical_note:

15 UTC = 17 CEST, if I’m correct-> CET to UTC Converter - Convert Central Time to Universal Time - World Time Buddy

Ah yes. Hmmm, too many meetings. I find it confusing. I was expecting to be finished by that time. Need to reschedule.

We could propose an earlier time tomorrow? @cwebber would that work for you?

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Please no, let’s stick to this, there’s a lot of things to be discussed still, and I expect @cwebber timezone better suited for afternoon EU.

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Yay, @cwebber was on board the 3D experience at rC3 too.
Maybe he can confirm that immers is awesome :wink:
Really don’t understand why European major projects should not be mentioned or showcased but there is probably a reason.

NOTE

The W3C Social CG had a formalised decision to do a forum that will federate.
Discourse is just another NGI0 vaporware. It is a SILO, not federating, from an US based internet company.
We need to do a new voting.

NOTE

“SocialHub.ActivityPub.Rocks hosts ActivityPub free software developers and enthusiasts to study and share knowledge, specify functionality together, steer the course of ActivityPub W3C Recommendation through code, conversation, consistency, cooperation…”

@j8ter the first link in the NGI announcement to “Event website” leads to somewhere in the middle of this preparation thread. It should be changed to EC - NGI0 Liaison -- Webinars and Workshop April 2021 - SocialHub

(Note: For anyone who shares the link. Take the variant with “/pub/” in the URL, not the “/t/” topic URL)


Note: I made a bunch of remarks on the slides, and also updated the first post in this thread with relevant links

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