Please no, let’s stick to this, there’s a lot of things to be discussed still, and I expect @cwebber timezone better suited for afternoon EU.
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Yay, @cwebber was on board the 3D experience at rC3 too.
Maybe he can confirm that immers is awesome 
Really don’t understand why European major projects should not be mentioned or showcased but there is probably a reason.
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The W3C Social CG had a formalised decision to do a forum that will federate.
Discourse is just another NGI0 vaporware. It is a SILO, not federating, from an US based internet company.
We need to do a new voting.
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“SocialHub.ActivityPub.Rocks hosts ActivityPub free software developers and enthusiasts to study and share knowledge, specify functionality together, steer the course of ActivityPub W3C Recommendation through code, conversation, consistency, cooperation…”
@j8ter the first link in the NGI announcement to “Event website” leads to somewhere in the middle of this preparation thread. It should be changed to EC - NGI0 Liaison -- Webinars and Workshop April 2021 - SocialHub
(Note: For anyone who shares the link. Take the variant with “/pub/” in the URL, not the “/t/” topic URL)
Note: I made a bunch of remarks on the slides, and also updated the first post in this thread with relevant links
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Hello!
So we’re at the point where we have a draft version of a presentation I’ll be giving to the second webinar. It would be good if I could give a preview version of the presentation to an interested audience to make sure it lands well.
What about on Friday the 23rd at 11am EDT? I guess that’s 3pm UTC. I dunno? Maybe in this room?
(BTW, yes the time is going to be… hard for me re: the second webinar, but I can do it. I am guessing it is too late to reschedule though. It looks like it’s 4am-6am here…)
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Also, there are tons of messages on this thread, fyi I am not up to date… if you need to me to be aware of a specific message, please highlight the specific message
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Better to use the same BBB each time, just repost the link 
Was looking at the prez and thinking why/who it’s for, with this in mind the future AP stuff is likely too abstract and could be covered by a statement that the is healthy ongoing work - then coverd more in the Q&A?
"Future
Surviving nodes going down
Content which survives nodes going down (pukkamustard’s work)
User identity surviving nodes going down
Authority model
Richer authority model work in Spritely
Networks of Consent
“networks of consent” direction
Better Moderation Directions
Enabling trust among untrusted nodes?
Expand on: not needing to require full trust, permit expanding trust even if not everyone is always safe
Deny-lists and allow-lists are useful in the short term, but in the long term lead to re-centralization
OcapPub has alternative suggestions on how to do this
We want good anti-spam and anti-harassment tools, and the best way to get towards them is more funding of that research, both technical and social research (the kind of social networks you have infulence the kind of social technologies you can make)
Norms in default city life about being cautious with strangers, but developing trust over time
Trusting someone can be scoped: I might trust someone to review my bank account who I wouldn’t trust to come to my birthday party and vice versa"
Agree. When I first got into this thread I read that "The current focus of this webinar is to showcase the ActivityPub protocols and NGI0-funded ActivityPub implementations to the EU and national administrations, and to establish a link between the ActivityPub community and the EU for longer term work", and even if the stated aim has evolved, the slides have not.
I tried leaving a couple of comments, but frankly there’s too much wrong with it: Web2 is mixed in as part of centralisation, and nowhere do they really set the promise - it’s just vague bullet points.
Think they are doing a pretty good job, remember getting anything done is herding cats with the structures we have. Let’s help
What focus do you think we should tweek?
If we could start an hour earlier, that would work for me (10 am EDT, 4 pm CEST), good idea.
I’m going through the conversation here, couldn’t immediately find your comments @mathewlowry , could you add them to the presentation? What/how is currently your main point of critique and how do you think we could fix this?
Oh, my… I just read this - yes, what’s so much wrong with it? I’m asking also because there is not so much time available to recover from a “too much wrong with it” status, if indeed it’s the case. I look forward to seeing this explained asap and I appreciate a lot your help. Thank you in advance!
Here are some other notes by @mathewlowry: Meeting notes for prep call EC Webinar 19 April - #4 by mathewlowry
PS. everyone: Just to be sure (because in the long threads its easily overlooked) I added presentation links in the first post above and in the preparation pad. They are different links than those we initially stared with.
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Thanks! Yes, I did see that, I took that feedback of Matthew into consideration in the work done for this proposal which now is public.
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Yes, I proposed to show anything real to the Eurocrats and not just talking.
So I mentioned our nice tour with Will and he offered to help.
Nobody answered yet. Apart from that, I agree to Mathew’s comments.
Personally I will write letters to inform the people about the exisiting European ActivityPub projects. This does not seem to be the focus here.
Apart from that I informed the MEPs which are helping redaktor (see twitter etc.) and hope they listen to you.
Hello all,
I am going through your feedbacks and comments in the doc. What needs to be done in the following days is:
- slides graphics
- a test for the webinar
Logistically, I wish everything to be prepared / agreed / tested by Friday 16th, so I would have the weekend to prepare for the speech. Normally I would not need so much time, but in this context (and also looking at some feedbacks), there is attention in some small details / wordings which they might be important for some, but I might not have spotted it without being warned. This time will be spent into making sure I do my best not to miss these details while speaking.
I would kindly ask you, if possible, to make sure you have left your feedback to the presentation by Wednesday (tomorrow). If you are bringing late feedback, please be aware that there is a limit between being constructive and destructive which is decided by deadlines - even if your ideas might be the best, it’s hard to make changes last minute / overrule a large proportion of the content without causing overload.
Deciding on this final content is potentially a blocker for adding some meaningful graphics on the slides. We discussed in the last meeting I attended that we will change slides, make it with less content & add images / something more graphical. I am +1 to leave only text (less than the current one, only with the main points to address) & the current images, I have no strong opinion in this direction - if you do, let’s change them; I could come up with a proposal / feel free to come with ideas. 
A meeting on Friday evening where we congratulate each other for our great work & test the setting would be ok for everyone? 
I am available also for a meeting tomorrow evening, if it’s very urgent to address some points or you wish to debate things with me with some mandatory beer.
Thank you for your help so far!
Kind regards,
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Yes, Hedgedoc’s commenting function is a little discrete They’re on slide 5 of the presentation, which is the one still listed here. If there are new ones, I must have missed the memo.
I don’t want my opinions to not be seen constructively, so I’ll try and put something together today. Unfortunately I’m in a very busy week.
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Yes, I just made 2 snaps from Slide Mode… how it looks on my screen:
Unstyled (currently showing like this):
Using HTML css-styled <img> tag:
(I kept the slight drop-shadow… it looks okay to me)
The latter was created with:
### <img src="https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/uploads/default/original/1X/9fd1e02f785270b5c2d91b8ba8afdb7333ddf449.svg" width="60%" style="border:0;background:#191919">
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cheating the quote system since these come from the slides
Elinor Ostrom debunked a theory that had influenced public policy for the next 30 years of its publication, stating that given a common pool of resources, such as a grazing field, actors driven by self-interest would end up destroying it, and therefore it should be either privatized or controlled by the State – this is known as the « Tragedy of the Commons » (Garrett Hardin, 1968) ; instead, she demonstrated from empirical situations across cultures around the world, that successful institutional arrangements could be made outside of the State and the Markets, by the users themselves, following a number of rules and establishing polycentric governance involving all users of the resource, that could turn into a « Drama of the Commons » (Ostrom, 1990).
As a quick introduction, I recommend reading Elinor Ostrom and the Solution to the Tragedy of the Commons, especially the last four paragraphs explain the empirical and theoretical advances of Ostrom quite clearly.
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I must have a cache issue since it works now…
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